Re: Addictions EMDR eyemovement and NLP
- Subject: Re: Addictions EMDR eyemovement and NLP
- From: Markus Plangger <markuspg@gol.com>
- Date: Sat, 5 Oct 1996 10:10:13 +0900 (JST)
On 1996-10-03 dcd@usa.net said to markuspg@gol.com
dc>My first post to this group. I've been reading the very
dc>interesting discussions here for some weeks, now, and
dc>couldn't resist commenting on the addictions discussion.
dc>Until a couple years ago, I worked as a psychotherapist in
dc>inpatient addictions programs at a state psychiatric
dc>hospital. I can confirm the asertion that it is extremely
dc>draining work for therapists. I didn't realize how burned
dc>out I was until I left it for another job in the computer
dc>field. Learning some NLP, hypnosis, and various other
dc>newer approaches did make my work much easier, more
dc>enjoyable, and provided a much healthier perspective on
dc>helping these people. These methods were also far more
dc>effective than the more traditional ones. Regarding the
dc>comment that these people seem to transfer their addictions
dc>from substances to relationships in the absence of
dc>substances - very true. Regarding the comment that people
dc>with addictions problems seem to have background with lots
dc>of trauma which eventually leads to their return to
dc>substance abuse - definitely. After searching for several
dc>years for something to effectively deal with their trauma,
dc>I discovered EMDR (Eye Movement Desensitization and
dc>Reprocessing). I found this method to be vastly more
dc>effective and elegant than anything else I tried, including
dc>NLP's Fast Phobia/Trauma Cure, hypnosis, etc. Also, for
dc>those who are interested, it has an ever growing body of
dc>sound scientific research to support it. No one's yet come
dc>up with a plausible explanation for why or how it produces
dc>it's results, but work it does. So, there it is. My first
dc>post to this NLP group and I've just proposed that EMDR is
dc>superior to anything NLP has to offer for trauma resolution.
dc>Looking forward to the responses, Dave DiRito
04.10.96 Osaka, Japan
To be honest, I do not have the slightest idea what EMDR is! Please can
somebody give a short explanation about it, thanks.
On the other hand, there are some technics involved with physikal movemnt of
the eyes, guided by an external person. There are lot of technics described in
differend books about Kineseolgy.
Personaly, I also get some experience with guided eye movements during a
training with NLP comprehensive in Colorado. There have been some nice
outcomes, ranging from no or low impact to real strong impact. We did no
research about it.
My personel favorite, is the lazy eight, sign for infinity. You just instruct
your fellow, to follow the movementof your hand with his/her eyes. And only
with the eyes! importnat is a smooth movement of the hand and the eyes. If
there are some glitches, o!
ther distortion of the movment of the eyes, just guide them to small circles
around the glitch, like an eraser,until the movement is steady.
Don't ask me, how it works, just try it.
On the other hand, most people involved in NLP 'believes' in a strong relation
between eye movment and internal state, like VAKOG.
An other good exercise is to guide the eyes top left to top right (visual), mid
left to mid right (auditiv) and down left to down right (kinestetic and auditiv
internal) point movement, circles and lazy eight. So connecting differnt kind
of experiene, i!
nvolve all sytems and change the perspective. Some people believe,....
Many body workers 'belive' in stored feelings and experiences in your skin,
facial l system or other parts of you body.
Other people believe, if cure the body, you also cure the mind and visa
versa,....
Since I like things like massage, touching people, Feldenkrais, Reiki and NLP
(body mind and spirit), I just combine them with some visualitions and enjoy
the result.
Sorry my palmtop doesn't have a spell checker, and obvious I am not a native
speaker. So please be patient about my grammar, thanks.
Markus Plangger, Osaka Japan alternativ mpl@jpn.tuv.com
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